Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? [46][47] He stated that there was a deadlier virus killing peoplethe virus of sinleading many to eternal death, in contrast to physical death. My point was that its not only out and out heretics, such as McKenna, who are a danger to the church. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. Citing Dallas Baptist because you knew a young man who went there. You rightly speak out against the Scott McKennas of this world but you seem to have a blind spot where certain pastors are concerned. It is about the honour and glory of our triune God. The problem: Elevation Church, led by Steven Furtick, suggests that an invitation to be baptized will be more effective if 15 volunteers are the first to move when the invitation is given. What am I gonna do? In 2019, at the Truth Matters Conference, during another word association questionnaire, MacArthur was given the prompt "Beth Moore". John MacArthur Takes on the New Apostolic Reformation & Rick Perry's Prayer Event This is a portion of the transcript from John MacArthur's sermon from October 23, 2011 . So for me this is not about petty jealousies, nor anti-Americanisms, nor cheap shots at other peoples foibles in order to make me feel better. All rights reserved. "[18], MacArthur is a cessationist, holding that the "sign gifts" (such as prophecy) described in the Bible were temporarily granted to the apostles to authenticate the origin and truth of the scriptures, and that at the close of the Apostolic Age these gifts had served their purpose and ceased to be granted. John MacArthur, the pastor of California's Grace Community Church, delivers a sermon to his congregation, January 2021. Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Name me one church that has handled everything well. Williams has more than misgivings about neo-Calvinism (as he calls it to call Piper, Keller and the Proclamation Trust neo-Calvinists is just silly). I have reread the comments by G Whiteand my own responses. Opinion Mark Wingfield. So it wasnt all bad. 2) I challenge you to provide some evidence for that statement and question whether you were just against mega churches per se. I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. I found helpful most of what he said and disagreed with a few things. 4) Its also not a good idea to claim that you know the motives of someone you dont know. It is an appalling rant already and Ive only read the first couple of chapters. So I was pleased to see the topic addressed here, particularly as there is another story breaking about Mr Furtick in North Carolina even as I write this. And they aint all wrong. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? I dont do stock answers. In 1989, after some criticism, he defended his views in a plenary session of the annual convention of the Independent Fundamental Churches of America (IFCA). yes it was dishonest of you to misrepresent my position as some pastors are untouchable. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it?. It is indeed a blessto have a fellowship with God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and indeed the Lord reigns. IMHO he totally manipulated the emotions of his audience and used the scriptures in an inappropriate way. Sums it all up. However, Chandler did choose to turn a blind eye to the unbiblical teaching and behaviour of Mark Driscoll, as did Piper and Keller. Chandler, a Reformed evangelical pastor, spoke as a guest speaker at Elevation last Friday, the third night of the Code Orange Revival. MacArthur also refused to enforce mask and social distancing guidelines for congregants. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. Given that you were speaking in the context of my remarks about Chandler, your comments were clearly a warning about him and a warning that his teaching was like a slow growing cancer. Furtick preaches a different gospel. as there are with me. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. And there are some well-liked denominations and networks of churches on Facebook pages too: john macarthur on elevation church. Ive only just seen the comments you wrote yesterday, Sunday, and again today. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Grace Community Church, home to pastor-teacher John MacArthur, is located in Sun Valley, California and has been faithfully proclaiming God's Word since 1956. Our statement: pic.twitter.com/Rin5W7eA8x, Jenna Ellis (@JennaEllisEsq) August 31, 2021. It is no improvement on, or explanation of, the Word of God. ", Grace Community Church parishioners make their way to Sunday service in Sun Valley on Sept. 13, 2020. Your comment about owning churches is actually ban on the mark. Elevation Church were accused of getting volunteers to come forward during the spontaneous baptism services, in order to encourage others to get up out of their seats. I can write the e-mails. And if you want to learn of the dangers of this movement I would recommend that you read The New Calvinists: Changing The Gospel by E S Williams. Required fields are marked *. This is way more than urging caution, as you later suggested. Its just name calling which again results in self-justification and does not really contribute to any discussion. But again I explained why I chose Dallas. Your reference to Isis was, in my opinion, ill-judged given recent events. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. MacArthur is a strong proponent of expository preaching, and has been acknowledged by Christianity Today as one of the most influential preachers of his time. John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. [27][28][29], MacArthur describes himself as a "leaky dispensationalist. We even had the background high pitched sentimental organ music towards the end as he told the (with a tear in his eye) the sad story of his dad, especially when he turned up to hear his son preach for 24 hours to mark the publication of his latest book. John MacArthur was able to summarize Furtick as a minister with one word: unqualified. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. Because Elevation Church certainly dont want to. Someone feels free to go on the internet post serious accusations and then refuse to substantiate them. There's some really helpful information in there. Lets put it this way- if you are buying a $1.8 million home you aint exactly of the take no purse school of ministry! The Bad Sadly, whilst every church has the bad, because we are all sinners and therefore infect any structure or organization we are part of, there are sometimes churches that go much further and wander away to the extent that one can hardly call them a church at all. You call them out or call them to repentance but see no need to repent yourself. [9] In 1963, he was granted a Masters of Divinity from the Bible Institute of Los Angeles's new Talbot Theological Seminary, in La Mirada, California, with honors. Your email address will not be published. Sadly so. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. What if Joh MacArthur preached at Steven Furtick's church?Christian Music is Destroying Millions?great worship and sound doctrine.What's wrong with Elevation. And the notion that radical Islam is going to defeat the gospel is just as daft. [47] In August 2021, MacArthur told congregants that "many people" had contracted COVID-19 while it "went through" the church in December 2020 and January 2021, including both him and his wife. Why would you equate Chandler with Furtick, but First is ok? or redistributed. 'Changed My Whole Entire Being': Ex-Strip Club Owner Born Again, Now Works to Help Victims of Sex Trafficking, US Cracks Down, Bans TikTok on All Federal Phones. Your reply was typical of the kind of legalistic posts which I regularly get sent. March 5, 2021 . . The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? New Artificial Intelligence Program ChatGPT Generates Concern: A Liberal Bias? The challenge (as you have already pointed out) is to warn and admonish from a place of love, and of course to pray. I didnt even mention Chandler in my comment, let alone call him a false teacher (and have never done so). He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in . It just looks weird. Last summer I had the privilege to attend and worship at an Acts 29 church plant in Shepherds Bush, and I pray that God would plant more churches like it across the UK. 1) There is only One only speaks the truth and it aint Steven Furtick. In John MacArthur's book, "The Truth War" he writes that " Churches today are filled with people like that. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Even as the pastor was sick, the church elder remained upbeat, adding, "Its pretty pretty amazing we have guys with sermons in their Bibles wherever you go and so Mikes going to be here.". L.A. County has reportedly spent nearly $1 million in attorneys fees and other costs since the legal battle with Grace Community Church began. Whatever its founding intentions, we conclude that the Proclamation Trust is now a compromised organisation committed to the flawed teachings and practices of New Calvinism. 4) Wrong on all counts. | Screenshot: YouTube/Grace to You Prominent pastor and theologian John MacArthur has come under fire after a video resurfaced of him taking issue with the idea of "religious freedom," with some Christian speakers debating whether his comments were taken out of context. God is everywhereeven in the news. Can you forget your ministries, your programs, and your visions and instead seek to follow Christs? But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. 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MacArthur told her she needed to model for her children how to "suffer for Jesus" by enduring David's abuse. including starting the Church Growth Movement which gave life to the pragmatism movement which as we know is so ubiquitous. The screenshot below is from page 4 of Elevation Church's helpful Spontaneous Baptism How To Guide. Follow TheWeeFlea.com on WordPress.com [45] His major contention was that there was no justification for closing down churches over a disease with 94% survival rate according to misinterpreted data from the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). An unknown man clad in black confronted Grace Community Church pastor John MacArthur during service on Sunday, Aug. av. all Christians are the same etc. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Please do not excuse sin and blasphemy. Im afraid your post is a classic example of taking a bible verse out of context and using it, whether ignorantly or deliberately to defend sin. I know in theory you agree with He must increase, I must decrease as do I. Sorry David, we must be talking about different books. Would you add John Piper, Tim Keller and Alaister Begg to your bonfire? The preacher's admission came amid news that Grace Community Church in Sun Valley received an $800,000 settlement from Los Angeles County after defying pandemic-induced health orders. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. He argued at the time that such mandates violated constitutionally protected religious liberties. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. For me there is no doubt that some of Scotlands independent churches and ministries, need to be investigated re their finances..question is who does it? But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. Theres clearly no transparency or accountability at Elevation Church! You Wouldnt Be Dashing Him And Family And God House Stop being jealous Stop Counting The Heads In The Church And Start Counting Youre Blessing We Still Have A universe To Stand On And spreading the message good God And Getting People Ready For Whats About To Come..Btw Are You Ready For When God Comes? It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! As for his preaching, we will disagree. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Im afraid that the influence of the US mega churches such as Elevation is felt throughout the world. My own view is that he didnt handle it particularly well even when forced to act. (2Tim. From an economic standpoint, thats a no brainer. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. I think it is a good thing that a church grows within a decade from a hundred to 20,000 people and I would love that to happen in Dundee, or Edinburgh. Btw, yes Im a pastor of a tiny church and I have worked multiple jobs all 20 years I have been at the church to make ends meet. Doubtless it was intended as a joke but I dont think taking a salary of millions more than is necessary to live, work and provide for ones family, is a joke especially when there are hungry children, and many hungry for the Word, who do not receive it because of lack of money. So far there has been no evidence given for assertion. Will you not come and revive us? You had already given your opinion about it before you had read it so you are being consistent at least. If you dont like it, too bad. . [36] Speaking about evolutionary theory, he writes that Christians "ought to expose such lies for what they are and oppose them vigorously." However, I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived. I know the drill. David, you try very hard to always get the last word and I knew that the question you asked was loaded. As for the scandal yes I was aware of it. PS. He states, "You must receive Jesus Christ for who He is, both Lord and Savior, to be truly saved (2 Peter 2:20). He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. Just a couple of verses from Ezekiel (which I am currently reading), the context being God restoring his people: For more information about the Church Finder, read our Statement of Purpose.. And if the thousands of baptisms represent thousands of people coming to Christ, how could one not rejoice? His church takes in $500,000 per weekcertainly it has given $10 million over a decade to other causes, but for a congregation which is taking in over $26 million a year, that is hardly sacrificial giving. The reality is that you have a bunch of people who want pastors to be poor while they make fortunes off of fake news. However the issue that really gets to me is the money one. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! [41] MacArthur compared the assertion that sexual orientation is a born trait to a hypothetical bank robber's protestation, "I keep robbing banks, but I'm a robber. Opinion Page Brooks and David Bumgardner Why shouldnt he? One of the victims (Eileen Gray) in particular was shamed publically in front of the congregation by MacArthur for divorcing a David Gray who later was convicted of aggravated child molestation, corporal injury to a child, and child abuse. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). There is no legalism or self-righteous pride in anything I said. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. He was unable to preach the second service. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. [21][22], MacArthur argues that modern "visions, revelations, voices from heavendreams, speaking in tongues, prophecies, out-of-body experiences, trip to heaven, anointings, miracles all false, all lies, all deceptions attributed falsely to the Holy Spirit." Legal Statement. Pastor / Teacher. Im sure you realise that that also would doubtless apply to people from The Village and even Furticks church. Excellent post David. If I were like that I would have to discount the Church at Pentecost! I find this very revealing. And lets talk about finance. what evidence do you have for that?). If not why do you feel in a position to judge? You equate him with the false teaching of Furtick and Elevation Church. by RELEVANT. Pastor John MacArthur on Sunday commended GraceLife Church in Alberta, Canada, which is meeting in secret after the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) barricaded their building behind three layers of chain link fence. Cho was told by MacArthur to "forget it" when he called on the elders to "do justice. Despite the blurb you are not changing the world. complete with standing ovation. ON the other hand you seem to be very quick to hand out your tongue lashing arrogance and childishness. Anyone at least you have persuaded me to read the book I hope it is not a waste of good time! It can only harm true Gospel work, and promote worldliness in the churches. And if you want classic legalism try this Truly converted young believers have an inborn instinct to turn away from their previous worldly music and dress styles. Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. Hardly the same as Furticks message! Not on Amazon it aint! A point you also mentioned. Haters will hate This is a classic example of 1 Timothy 5:13 These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. Jenna Ellis,the churchs attorney,tweeted about the settlement. Pastor John MacArthur preaches at Grace Community Church in Los Angeles. The trouble is that these churches are so massive and wealthy that they can afford to send their pastors all over the world, exporting their dodgy theology and even dodgier ecclesiology. 1) There is no name calling followed by misrepresentative, deceitful and sly go figure! Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? So when I see money, resources and people being diverted into what appear to be personal vanity projects, branding and corporate Christianity, I weep, am angry and cry out to the Lord. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. 38, 31-32). [14] In 1986, he was made President of the new Master's Seminary. Finally, I just checked my Amazon app and what do you know, the book I mentioned is still for sale at 3.50 and there are 8 copies left. The writer of Hebrews 12:14 states frankly that only those who continue living holy lives will enter the Lord's presence." This has become an increasing generational divide, where self help and selfishness mixed with weird legalism has been manufactured, packaged, and sold as faith. Didnt appreciate the joking about drug use. Also available on most smart TVs and streaming services. Quotes displayed in real-time or delayed by at least 15 minutes. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? I love the gospel, and I love the Lords people from whatever background, and I want to see Christ glorified throughout the world. I dont know enough to say anything about the worship, church structure and other ministries of the church, so I wont. During the event, MacArthur accused the Southern Baptist Convention of . And also trying to get to know what God says in His Word and please stop shouting at those you know nothing about. (By the way I would suggest that you learn what is name is). From a spiritual standpoint its an even bigger (and opposite) no-brainer! Stephen Furtick I just listened (lots of fast-forwarding) to a talk he gave at the New Spring church titled Sun Stand Still (which I think relates to one of his books). Even though it was only a couple of pounds I regret wasting the money. I wonder if you thought the same and you told me that in order to come across as thinking that you mentioned one which you thought was ok/good. It happens. You are aware of them as you demonstrated when writing about Mr Furtick. And it is culturally not relevant to us at all! You've successfully subscribed to this newsletter! http://thewartburgwatch.com/?s=Matt+chandler&x=0&y=0 No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Just to settle this bit of your disagreement: http://www.amazon.co.uk/New-Calvinists-ES-Williams/dp/1908919329/, Wonderful thanksnow I can read it on my KindleI have no idea why that did not show on my Amazon page. I have a suspicion that much of the health and wealth teaching which is plaguing much of the church in Africa, Asia and South America is primarily an export from the US, with perhaps a little help from Europe, (all in the name of spreading the gospel). They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. I know of Alistair Begg from his Hamilton Baptist days but not much else. Im not rich at all but Im also not jealous of someone who has far more people and more money. But cant we all recognize how difficult we find that? [2] He is currently the chancellor emeritus of The Master's University in Santa Clarita and The Master's Seminary. The staff expected to have their concerns heard andconsidered. He argues that "the battle for the beginning is ultimately a battle between two mutually exclusive faiths faith in Scripture versus faith in anti-theistic hypotheses. Your remarks were and continue to be misrepresentative, deceitful and sly. Uh, John MacArthur Is Urging His Church to Stop Supporting Religious Freedom . Sadly, however, there are also times when you use it to bully, abuse and browbeat. . As for ES Williams book yes I have heard of it and read several reviews -Im afraid I wont be spending the 30 on a book which just seems to want to attack and tar everyone with the same brush. That is just nuts. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? One such person who has joined the ranks of GTY is Cameron Buettel, author . [51] They have four children, fifteen grandchildren, and had two great-grandsons by 2017. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. In 1969, after graduating from Talbot Theological Seminary, John came to Grace Community Church. Rather than ignoring these churches and individuals Scotlands born again believers need to stand up and contend for the faith. John MacArthur, pastor of the popular Grace Community megachurch, is recovering from a sudden onset of illness. Weve been getting those kind of signals for the last number of weeks., A year ago, when county officials were trying for the fourth time to obtain a court order to shutter Grace Community Church, MacArthurissued his own declaration against the county, which he argued was impeding on his congregations free exercise of religion by criminalizing activity directly required by our faith. He went on to state the church has moral and religious obligations to continue allowing our congregants to gather in our sanctuary to worship the Lord., The utter unnecessary deprivation of all our people by completely shutting down the mutual love and care that sustains our people in all the exigencies, pressures, and challenges of life was cruel, he said. Whether you are a legalist or not I dont know. I've carried one of these of an NAS with the New Testament, Psalms, and Proverbs with me for years and years, so that's why I wanted this to be the first one. The truth be told the Bible never once says it is wrong to have money or stuff. This following sermon was full of what can only be called psychobabble. And this from a Scottish leader of an American megachurch wonderful stuff again , Pastor, Writer, Debater, Blogger, Scot, Dundonian, married to Annabel.with three grown up children and two grandchildren.View all posts by theweeflea. 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