You said the son of Lord Grantham would have been called Lord Downtown, why was this not the case for Robert when his own father was the Lord Gratham? Are Zoomies a Sign of a Happy Dog or a Crazy Dog? Thank you! Its in series 3, I wont ruin it for you. Or would only one daughter inherit the title? 6,465, This story has been shared 4,929 times. I'm surprised, I would have thought a family that could afford it would have made sure their out in society daughters would have ladies' maids, so they could look their best as they hunt for husbands. There, at the insistence of Aunt Rosamund, Edith placed her child informally not legally with some very nice Swiss people, apparently, but she almost immediately began having second thoughts. When they travel to another household with their Lord/Lady, the servants are addressed using the title of their Lord/Lady, (e.g., Mr. Bates would be addressed as Mr. Grantham). In which case, they would be identified by their order. HM The Queen isnt making pin money by selling titles. And thats what I aim to explain in this article. Well, to Americans this isnt obvious. This would result in Edith taking over for Michael in his business (because that's what he arranged), and she could not bear the thought of not passing any of what he had on to the baby. Or at least, thats the official story. The family name is Crawley, and Matthew was the earls third cousin, and had the same surname. So, at that point, I assume she doesn't. I also wondered this as I live in a town called grantham where Margret thatcher was born and wondered if there was a connection with the town. 11,875, This story has been shared 6,465 times. Season 4 of "Downton Abbey" introduces a major shift in plot, as well as a shift in style, evident in the fashion of the character Lady Edith Crawley, played by Laura Carmichael. Anna and Baxter are Lady's Maids, Mrs Hughes is the housekeeper. She wont go along with societys plans. She died, but her daughter lives, so we cant be too sad. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. She is the author of Divorce: How to Tell the Kids, Runaway Husbands and My Sister, My Self. On a related note, is there any change to Lady Marys address due to her being the widow of the late heir (Matthew Crawley) or the mother of the current heir? The feeling inspired her to make peace with Mary and ask if they might get along better in the future. Get the help you need from a therapist near youa FREE service from Psychology Today. Sir Anthony Strallen wanted to marry her, but thenthe old bugger got cold feet and left her at the altar. They wrapped up Mrs. Hughes health scare lickety splitId thought that would last all season. Robert is the 7th Earl of Grantham, making Cora the 7th Countess of Grantham, assuming of course that there has never been a divorce or death which has resulted in a remarriage. Thus we get hyphenated names such as Palmer-Douglass who married the only surviving niece of the Douglass family when there were no male heirs. Stevenson: Youre right, Dan. Marys happiness seems to be the only thing that matters in this household. Otherwise, she would work, and wait, and hope, and be happy. Hello, The junior staff are called by their first names by all. Then, Edith got engaged to Anthony, the same guy Mary drove off once before, after convincing him she loved him in spite of his war-torn arm. Titles cannot be passed through the mother only through the father. Nothing. Why didnt the guards search his person when it wasnt in his bed as theyd expected? But since shes a marchioness she would be expected to have a ladys maid to show her status and power. is never taken to task for the comments she makes putting her little sister down. When they visited the possible future Downton Place, I got a bit excited, because for me the issue undercutting this whole plot point about whether the family might lose Downton Abbey is that of course the television program is called Downton Abbey. It would be incorrect to refer to him as Lord Robert, however. That will nicely counter the thermonuclear war that Thomas and Mrs. OBrien seem to be about to wage. Margaret Sweeney married the Duke of Argyll. With rapier wit, effortless beauty, and keen social. The valet was suspected of murder (twice). Downton Abbey Wiki is a FANDOM TV Community. As you may recall from science class, certain genes are dominant and others are recessive. Dan Kois: Oh cmon, June. As it happened, Edith couldn't stay away from the child and became a constant presence at the Drewes. At the head of the family is Lord Grantham,whos name is Robert Crawley (played by Hugh Bonneville). One younger sister who participated in the study, Aileen, told about her relationship with Dinah, three years older. If it is Earl of (name) (Earl of Avon, Earl of Oxford) it is almost always a place. ), her initial frustration at the idea of marrying Matthew to save the family, Sybil's chafing at the limitations of her life, and Edith's perpetual wheel-spinning over what to do if she doesn't get married. Oh, some Scottish Lords of the Manor title get up for sale via the Internet, but dont count on anyone feeling them real. OK, so if Robert Crawley, Seventh Earl of Grantham, had a son he would the the Viscount Downton. Maybe you'll get pregnant! Or at least, Edith did. The main question I have coming out of this episode: Whats left to resolve? Another case is that some of the Scottish Earldoms, such as the Earldom of Newburgh. This theory all comes down to eyes. Mr. Carson is Lady Mary's father. Any other sons would be styled as The Honourable before their first name. The eldest son of a titled person (peer) usually uses his fathers second highest title as his own. The family name is Crawley. It is nonsense to even ponder an impossibility. But then I keep running into the same problem-why doesn't that lady's maid come to Downton with her in the film? Scan this QR code to download the app now. Like the family name for the very-real premier duke of England, the Duke of Norfolk, is Fitzalan-Howard. Younger sons of Dukes and Marquesses are the only people that should be addressed as Lord [First Name] and daughters of Earls, Marquesses and Dukes should be addressed as Lady [First Name]. Maybe Edith's lady's maid is new and she doesn't quite trust her to do her best when she's going to be seeing the King and Queen. I assume that means that Sybil will die in an episode I havent reached yet. The article was so frustrating when it left that out. These fan theories include secret parentage, undercover spies, and, of course, poison. The rivalry between the two sisters is one of the most defining relationships for Mary throughout the series. P.S. I would like an explanation of the names used for the servants both at Downton and in Scotland. PostedMarch 4, 2015 The new husband is required to take the family name in order to receive his father-in-laws title. As his father had no title, only was heir, even if Robert had a second title, which he does not, George wouldnt have it. Thanks also to Hans for the helpful comment. There is also Violet Crawley (played by Maggie Smith) who is Lord Granthams mother and the wife of the previous Lord Grantham. Cora refers to Violet as Mama pronounced in the English manner. Another old custom, often written into the fathers will when a daughter inherits estate & titles with no surviving brothers, and then marries. The Dowager Countess of Grantham. Why was Lady Edith jilted at the altar? Violet remains the Dowager Countess of Grantham. Thomas: Im glad that Mrs. Hughes lump turned out to be benign. I'm not sure if Edith would insist on a lady's maid because of her history as 'Poor Edith.' Downton House. Mr. Bates). Does Cora call her mother in law Violet? And what is Thomas calling all is in-laws these days? The farmer's wife spills the truth to Edith's mother, Lady Grantham. It cleared up my confusion about the names and titles. Unless she marries a peer, and has that title, could become a Duchess or Countess, but can never be Dowager Countess of Grantham. Newspapers dont care much for proper style today. Anna was always maid to the girls, as it was her one of her numerous duties as head housemaid. 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So Edith was alone again, naturally. Septimus Spratt is her butler. Seth Stevenson: June, you are right that Lady Mary is approaching insufferable queen bee territory. If it is Earl (name) (Earl Attlee, Earl Jellicoe) then it is the last name of the person granted the title. Continue to watch and you will find out. Read up on all the merriment there. Diana, Princess of Wales was the daughter of an Earl so, prior to her marriage, was addressed as Lady Diana Spencer. 1,592, This story has been shared 1,546 times. Sibling rivalries are fairly normal, but these two take it to a whole other level. Apologies for posting to such an old thread, but thought I might help other confused Americans find your comment when googling, since the show is still well-known even though its finished airing. I'm afraid though that your future wife is a very wicked woman indeed and enjoyed every one of your scandalous allusions most thoroughly. What about young George? Even Molesley, who could be considered the Jerry of Downton Abbeyhasstarted to win the admiration of the new lady maid, Baxter. Why Are So Many Young Men Single And Sexless? The fifth season premiere of Downton Abbey was not kind to Lady Edith Crawley (Laura Carmichael). George has the surname Crawley, from his father. The farmer agreed to pretend to accept her story that this baby totally belonged to a terribly scandalous friend of Edith's, and Edith couldn't keep her in the house because of the terrible shame that would result from her family being associated with this scandalous friend. Irish chauffeur Tom Branson, a man of revolutionary politics,. Please clarify. (I will admit that I skipped some of the middle of this season, while Edith was getting herself into all this mess, and was interested to see her right back in the thick of misery when I returned. However I do not feel easy with the title lord because the word lord is associated with the All mighty God. Hes the downstairs Edith. It's hard out there for Lady Edith Crawley. If she had remained married to Matthew and he had seceded Robert she would at that point have become a countess, but as Matthew is dead that can not happen. And when she actually met someone who liked her, he was driven off by Mary, who was angry at Edith for revealing that Mary's romantic activities were so amazing that they killed a Turkish guy. 'Mandalorian' Season 3 Release Time, Savannah Guthrie Rushed Out Of 'Today' After Testing Positive For COVID-19 During Live Broadcast, 'RHOBH' Star Garcelle Beauvais Pledges That She and Erika Jayne Are "Trying to Be Open" in Season 13 After Nasty Feud, 'Real Housewives of Atlanta' Star Drew Sidora Is Finally Getting Divorced From Ralph Pittman, Selena Gomez Confesses That The "Biggest Mistake" of Her Life Involves Her 'Wizards of Waverly' Place Co-Stars, Is 'Yellowstone' On Tonight? And what about Mary? Never until they're married? 18,354, This story has been shared 11,875 times. All the named maids (Anna, Gwen, Lily, Edna, etc) have either been promoted or left, so Edith may be waited on by one of the unnamed maids, or she may have simply elected not to have a maid at all. Beautiful, stylish, haughty, powerful Mary should really be secure enough in her own identity that she doesnt need to diminish poor struggling Edith in order to confirm her superiority, yet she does and has continually done so during the five seasons of Downton Abbey. If the Crawleys were richer they could have afforded ladys maids for all their daughters but since they cant, they settled with a senior house maid as an unofficial ladys maid for their eldest child. His superiors simply needed to feed Edith a lie that would discourage her from poking around, so they made up a cover story that someone who follows the news would believe. It is a style only, not a title or an ennoblement. The second and subsequent sons are styled The Honourable William. I studied in the UK. Even Alfred the novice footmanaka tall, 1920s Landry Clarkedoesnt hesitate to walk all over him. I couldnt read past ~ whos name is Robert Crawley~. He hoped if her family got to know him, it would be easier for them to be on his side. She is not a Princess. (Thinking here of Lady Diana Spencer and others.) Hope you are doing well. 1 level 1 [deleted] English actor Laura Carmichael doesn't have a problem with that. Now, what does any of this have to do with Downton Abbey? He is the original title holder and the titles of the rest of the Crawley family exist because he holds this title (well get onto why very shortly). Inspired by soap operas and weepy 1950s melodramas, John Waters combines the conventions of that genre (soft lighting, teary organ music) with William Castle-like gimmickry for his most polished, biggest budgeted film yet. Her only real sin in five seasons has been to vindictively reveal that Mr. Pamuk died in Lady Marys bed, and that action was born out of bitterness and resentment. Thank you for explaining though, I found it frustrating that the article left that key point out. These two do not like each other, and theyre quite public about it. Grantham would likely have been the name of an estate or county or shire or some other territory given to some man named Crawley a few hundred years earlier. The fact she can transform from drab Lady Edith to drop-dead gorgeous glamazon to walk the red carpet, and elicit reactions . Because Matthew predeceased Robert, Mary was never actually the Countess, but her son would be the earl, so what title does that leave her? There's something evil going on in that stately home in the rolling hills of Yorkshire, and it's a lot more nefarious than the re-bedding of the body of the expired Turkish gentleman. Although it may not be obvious, Marys need to keep Edith under her thumb belies deep insecuritya profound flaw in her charactermaking her capable of splitting off any guilt in the service of coldly maintaining her fragile superiority. "Downton Abbey's" serial mistreatment of Edith Crawley, the ultimate middle child, is one of its most telling quirks. Daisy evolvedfrom being adowntrodden kitchen maid to a talented chef and naturalleader. Thomas is the footman. Denker and Spratts unprofessional squabbles wouldve gotten plenty of other servants fired, but fans believe the Dowager Countess keeps them employed for her own amusement. Both Lord and Lady Grantham have blue eyes, but their eldest daughter, Mary, has brown eyes. But Dan is also correct that the entire Edith wedding sequence was some dang good Downton. The deliciously mean-spirited piling on of indignities is unjust . They hardly ever name the county explicitly in the show, just refer to the estate or the nearby towns. Its the shocking way that Mary treats her younger sister Edith and how remarkably, she gets away with it. Oh, but how I sighed when Ethel showed up among the slatterns. She won't be content to let other people tell her that she can't be an unwed. And anyway, that wedding disaster was such a stupid, great Downton momentI screamed with laughter when he muttered, I cant do this. And poor Edith! We had watched for weeks as Mary not only pushed Edith down, but also mocked her for herfeebleattempts to shine. Spinsters do get up for breakfast, but they should fix their hair. Lady Mary Crawley (played by Michelle Dockery) has been the resident mean girl on "Downton Abbey" ever since it premiered in 2011 (via IMDb ). I like british title system. Earlier in the episode, the Crawleys closeted footman, Thomas Barrow, made a pass at Pamuk, which the diplomat rejected quite forcefullyso much so that he threatened to get Thomas fired. And another sisters first sexual encounter ended in death. Her aunt bundled her off to Switzerland for the mysterious, months-long absence everyone either agreed to consider not suspicious at all or actually did not consider suspicious because they cannot imagine Edith having a sex life. But because Edith is Edith, he dumped her at the altar . She will keep her baby and she will hide it with a farming family close to Downton, damn it! One thing thats key to the show yet is not widely understood by many are the titles used by members of the family. Last series, she was left heartbroken when Bertie Pelham called off their engagement after. My own belief is that the Crawleys would still be there.. This theory all comes down to . Thank you and all at Royal Central for the entertainment and education. I feel like Ive seen all their tricks before. Stevenson: This almost felt like Ediths supervillain origin story. Jan 13, 201310:14 PM. The film had a very crowded plot, with all the old characters plus a lot of new ones, all deserving some screen time. She is the Countess of Grantham. Are you seriously asking if Julian Fellowes can find some other wringers to put his characters through? Photograph courtesy of . My understanding is that the family name is Grantham and that Lady Mary married Matthew Crawley. Downton Abbey's Lady Edith finally got her happy ending in tonight's emotional last ever episode. But on the other, there is this: In becoming a mother, Edith got out from under the thumb of her father. This story has been shared 18,354 times. What about Sybil? The complete crackpot theory is that this was a cover for Matthews infertility, which the doctors wouldnt disclose to him, presumably to preserve his 1920s masculinity. 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